mtf people are often so angry at ftm people who say that they experienced female socialization or misogyny because it conflicts with their narrative that they never experience male privilege
This is awful abuse.
“Transmen who talk about female socialization have blood on their hands” as opposed to, what, the trans“”women”” who have literal blood on their hands? Metaphorical blood you’re literally lying about is in no way comparable to the literal blood of real women that trans“”women”” have beaten, raped, and murdered.
This is WHACK
Men can’t help but out themselves, can they?
I’ve read a lot of accounts from transmen who talked about how differently they were treated pre-transition (as a woman) and post-transition (passing as a man), but the one account that always sticks out is Ben Barres, who was a neuroscientist at MIT:
Barres described experiences of gender discrimination in MIT. After
solving a difficult math problem that stumped many male students, his
professor charged that it was solved for him by a boyfriend.
He was the top student in the class, but found it hard to get a willing
supervisor for research. He lost a scholarship to a man who had only
one publication, while he already had six. While earning a PhD at Harvard, he was told that he was to win a
scientific competition, which was evidently between him and one man; the
Dean confided to him, “I have read both applications, and it’s going to
be you; your application is so much better.” But the award was given to
the man, who dropped out of science a year later.
After transitioning,
he noticed that people who were not aware of his transgender status
treated him with respect much more than when he presented as a woman. After delivering his first seminar as a man, one scientist was
overheard to comment, “Ben Barres gave a great seminar today, but his
work is much better than his sister’s [believing Barbara to be his
sister] work.” In 2012, he recollected the events of his sex change as:
“When I decided to change sex 15
years ago I didn’t have role models to point to. I thought that I had to
decide between identify and career. I changed sex thinking my career
might be over. The alternative choice I seriously contemplated at the
time was suicide, as I could not go on as Barbara.”
Barres was critical of economist Lawrence Summers
and others who have claimed that one reason there are fewer women than
men in science and engineering professorships might be that fewer women
than men had the very high levels of “intrinsic aptitude” that such jobs
required. He speaks and writes openly about being a trans man and his experiences transitioning gender identity in 1997, and his experiences of being treated differently as a female scientist versus a male scientist. Barres directed a series of “open questions” to Steven Pinker and Harvey Mansfield in a formal address at Harvard, challenging the data supporting their arguments.
Men always want to deny the existence of male privilege, sexism, male and female socialization, and now females altogether. They’re full of shit.
Oh, so now they care about women when it serves their narrative to censor transmen about their lived experience as actual women, and of course with the goal to give trans identified males more authority to speak for women and deny their responsibility in upholding patriarchy. One huge, organized gaslighting and manipulation.
You’re not not homophobic just because you agree that homosexuals should not be forced to have sex with a person of the opposite sex if that person is pre-op/non-passing, if you still push that it’s transphobic to exclude ALL trans people from one’s dating pool.
“But what about trans people who undergo SRS??”
First of all, secondary sex characteristics are just as important as genitals. But even if you insist on pretending that the only thing setting a male body and a female body apart is the crotch region, that point is still bullshit. A neo-vagina is not the same thing as a natal vagina. Even if the surgeon does a stellar job in making it look the same, it still doesn’t function the same. And the same goes for phalloplasty, as well.
“But you can’t always tell someone is trans! Saying you’ll never date a trans person is transphobic because it implies you think they’re all non-passing!”
Here’s the thing: I don’t want to date a biological male, no matter how well that person passes. I don’t care how many thousands of dollars a trans woman pours into looking as feminine as possible because their body is still biologically male. There is no changing that. I can honestly tell you I’ve never met a trans woman in person who passed well enough to make me believe they were cis, but even if I did, I still would not include them in my dating pool because I don’t want to date biological males. This is for a variety of reasons – reasons that I am not obligated to share with anyone, because I don’t have to give anyone access to my body period. I don’t owe anybody sex.
Nobody owes anybody sex. No means no. And if this hypothetical trans woman managed to trick me into sleeping with them, they would be raping me. It’s called rape by deception.
So, once again: I don’t want to date a biological male, no matter how well that person passes.
And I don’t have to. And if you tell me I can’t exclude them just because they paid a surgeon a ridiculous amount of money to have their Adam’s apple shaved of, you’re a homophobe. And if you try to guilt-trip me into dating someone I am not comfortable dating, you are a rapey homophobe.
Does this mean I do not want that person to have equal rights? To have access to health care or job security or the same minimum wage as ‘cis’ people or whatever? No! Just because I don’t want to date them doesn’t mean I don’t think they deserve the same rights as everyone else. But sex is not a human right. And dating is not a human right. And that’s why not dating a biological male does not make me a transphobe.
That’s why you’re still a homophobe, even if you respect “genital preferences”. (Homosexuality is not a preference, while we’re on the subject.)
That’s why you’re still pushing rape rhetoric if you tell someone that excluding all trans people from our dating pool is transphobic “because you can’t always tell if someone is trans.”
Maybe you’re right, maybe you can’t always tell, but if a trans person hides this truth from the people they intend to sleep with, they are committing a crime.
Gender is not a fact. It’s a performative act. A performative act trained and reinforced by the society to subject a certain part of the population to the other part. It’s a oppression tool to control specific bodies in specific places in society.
Stop appropriating and fantasizing with female’s shackles. It’s not pretty and it kills.
No offence but what the fuck. I’ve never once been like oh my wrists are so delicate and breakable ,??? God I hate trans activism it’s fucking sexist as hell
Justine Troondeau 